Proposed Development Estimates $78M in Increased Earnings

Developers for the controversial land swap property in Haddam propose benefits of its development.

O,R&L, the development company hired by the Riverhouse,  presented a report which details the proposed benefits of developing the 17+ acre parcel of land that abuts the Riverhouse property.

According to the proposal, the development of the property could potentially increase Haddam tax revenue by nearly $400,000 and create over 1,400 jobs in the process. The creation of jobs, accordng to the proposal, would increase earnings to the local economy by about $78 million.

Additionally, the proposal states that the swap of the property would preserve 87 acres of open space and "remediate environmentally contaminated land" in the process of its development.

The Riverhouse, in a recent mailing to the residents of Haddam and East Haddam, stated that "we believe the land exchange represents meaningful conservation, smart growth and economic opportunity in the form of real jobs for our residents and their children...and bring a needed lift to existing area businesses". 

The swap proposal is contained in a land conveyance bill pending in the state senate. The measure calls for trading just over 17  acres in Tylerville that overlook the Connecticut River for 87 acres in Higganum that abut the Cockaponset State Forest.

The swap is backed by state Sen. Eileen Daily, D-Westbrook. Recently, Rep. Phil Miller, D-Essex,  proposed an amendment that would remove the proposed swap from the current bill.

Opponents argue the swap would destroy a picturesque natural habitat that overlooks the Connecticut River and the Goodspeed Opera House in East Haddam. They also argue it would dampen future sales and donations of open space to Connecticut.  

Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 12:54 PM
It's called bull sheet. The average voter buys it hook line and sinker. There are no guarantees, just numbers thrown out there. They hired pro's plus Daily may be evil but she's no fool, they use words like, "potentially", "possibly", "could", they never use words like "will", "definately", "would". It's politics 101. They also never put any contigencies or back up plans in bills, they are freekin idiots but so are the voters, they keep electing the same politicians, although Daily is pretty slick when it comes to that, she posts a lot of editorials in the local papers touting her imagined achievements just before election time and she never enters into an open debate, the only one this past election she made sure it was at the Clinton High and only students could ask pre-screened questions.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 12:56 PM
see my comment above, the proponents have a truck load of manure and they're spreading it around. Nothing they've said has proven true and as to the future without a written guarantee and a contingency in case they fail its worse than manure.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 12:58 PM
It doesn't matter, it is land that was purchased with Conservation Funds, that means it was proected forever, misusing the funds puts Ct in a bad place legally, do we really have to keep explaining that?
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 01:03 PM
Excellent point, put your freakin money where your mouth is, every small business person has to put up all their money and sometimes mortgage their home or take out an equity loan to start and keep their business. But these guys get it for free??? And Daily won't even guarantee that they have a plan or ensure that the land reverts back to the people should their pipe dream fail????????? I am truly amazed how evil this has become, I'm starting to feel like this is a movie with Ray Liotta and DeNiro.
Curious June 02, 2011 at 01:08 PM
Wow 1400 jobs!! That is about 82 jobs per acre. Amazing!!!!
The Future of Haddam June 02, 2011 at 01:30 PM
I actually believe the job figure is pretty close. They will all not be permanent jobs. Different firms and companies will get much needed work. Architectural firms, engineering firms, surveying companies, construction companies for all phases of construction from excavation to finish landscaping and everything in between will all have work . With a project of this size and the potential tight timeline, many of these companies will hire new help to move the project along. And don’t forget about all the suppliers of all the goods. They may hire delivery drivers or extra staff to supply goods. It will add together with other projects to create jobs. A project like this absolutely creates jobs, though they all will not be permanent. It will create fewer permanent jobs in the actual development and service side of the final project, but the upside is that they will be permanent. This OR&L firm is a professional firm and I will guarantee that their figures are correct, it’s all about what they are taking into account and how they classify “jobs”. They will have figures, industry trends and some kind of algorithm to verify and substantiate it’s findings. However, work is work and it is much better than no work at all. They would not, for the sake of their own business, throw out a bunch of BS.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 01:38 PM
So what about it America?? Do we have rules and laws for reasons or just to be stepped on by the rich and connected?????? This can't happen because it is illegal, plain and simple, the land was purchased with Conservation Funds that have restrictions and laws attached SPECIFICALLY so that people CANNOT do this later on. That's the entire point of buying the land with public funds that have protections written into them. Any schleper can have land given to them and make wild claims about what they will do and wonderful it will be if we give them our money and land to play with. Just because Daily thinks she's above the law and can slip this into a conveyance bill does not make it legal, politicians and the rich and connected with their lawyers and lobbyists break the laws all the time, OR, they re write laws to make whatever they want that is currently illegal--legal, see the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 for the most extreme example and the cause of our countries economic collapse. I guess we'll have to sue, unless someone has a better way to stop it and any others in the future.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 01:44 PM
well future, post your real name and post the documents that prove this is not manure forget boots people, you will need your waders or a tyvek suit to get through this muck OR&L is a property management firm the job creation is BULL, most of the jobs already exist, they are counting contruction workers who are currently on other projects, most of the jobs will be on site for a very short amount of time AND what if this ends up like all the other stores in the area---EMPTY???? WHERE ARE YOUR GUARANTEES????????? Will you include in the conveyance that should this fail that you cannot sell any of it, that it all reverts back to the people OF THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT???? THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUCKERED INTO GIVING THIS TO YOU???????? geeezLouise
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 02:11 PM
And don’t forget about all the suppliers of all the goods. They may hire delivery drivers or extra staff to supply goods??????????????????? FOR ONE PROJECT???? C'MON This OR&L firm is a professional firm and I will guarantee that their figures are correct--POST YOUR REAL NAME SO WE CAN HOLD YOU TO THAT They will have figures, industry trends and some kind of algorithm ????????? REALLY????????? AN ALGORITHM??? WOW with one of those you must be telling the truth--sarcasm what I hear is a failed theory called Trickle Down Economics, this is where we give rich people everything they want and magically they invest and the economy takes off like magic, trouble is we lived through it, from 2000-2008 Trickle Down ruled the day and it is what destroyed the economy. You see folks what this country needs is consumers, lots of them, all spending money on a wide variety of products and services, this jump starts and maintains any economy, you can build all the palaces and stores you want and give as much of the tax payers money to whomever for whatever pipe dreams without consumers it will all fail, that is why our economy is currently stalled, gas prices went up and once again people are spending on what they must have and skipping discretionary spending.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 02:14 PM
The casinos and other play areas like theaters and hotels are empty. I just returned from Vermont and down through the Berkshires, major Memorial Day tourist destinations all, and all were empty, stores are closed and foreclosed on, tourist attractions are empty or closed and that is down through CT too. This "project" will not and cannot change that, first you need consumers. Besides all the talk about what this "might" do (key words again) are meaningless, it's illegal because the land was purchased with Conservation Funds----end of story. There really isn't anything to discuss or plan or BS about, you are breaking, or attempting to break the law to serve you own gains.
The Future of Haddam June 02, 2011 at 02:47 PM
Gene, my name is Kevin Wiese, a lifelong resident of Haddam with 5 generations being from Haddam or still currently living here. I am not affiliated with the Riverhouse or any other party involved. So please do not use words like “you” or “your” when responding to me. Do not ask me to post document to support my opinion, for I don’t have any. That is offensive to assume just because I have a something different to say, that you assume that I am an involved party. Am I not protected from a personal attack because I have a different point of view. I have not attacked anyone, other than the poster who “forgot why we celebrate Memorial Day”, which I believe was rightfully warranted and NOTHING to do with this debate. At times, people are closed minded and very skeptical. Understandable for sure. I’m just pointing out that some of the info released by the Riverhouse is fairly accurate. In any post I have written, I have not said that I am either for against the transfer on this site. I am a realist and look at thing with an open mind and the way people present their facts and or arguments. Sorry, ran out of room to continue.
The Future of Haddam June 02, 2011 at 02:48 PM
I don’t have “documents” to prove my point, only many years of experience in the construction and engineering fields, and no, I will not have anything to do with this project. Bottom line, the construction industry is struggling. As I said, it is all about how OR&L calculated it figures and how they classify “jobs”. It will create work for a bunch of business to construct this project if it happens. Those are facts. Like I said, it is the classification of jobs. If putting people to work is a factor in OR&L’s calculations, then it will do that. If these construction companies laid people off and call them back, a job is re-created. A project of this size added with other projects in the area would create longer term jobs. It is a chain reaction and each aspect of any job would affect another one. That should be simple to see. Yes, many will be short term, but many will be local as well. The majority of the contractors who worked on the Riverhouse were local and used all local suppliers. That is a fact. If you were to ask anyone in the broad construction industry, they would rather have a short term job, than no job at all. Sitting idle costs money, money they are not making. They do not stop paying taxes or insurance, etc. They stop buying materials effecting other businesses. All I do is look at things logically and realistically, taking into account the larger picture, not what is right in front of our faces. Facts are facts.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 03:01 PM
It is still against the law, the land was purchased with Conservation Funds, end of story, all of the fairy tale stories do not alter that. It doesn't matter what "could" happen, its wrong, its evil, its taking the public land, the publics money, and the publics trust and once again flushing it down the toilet for some rich connected persons pipe dreams with no strings attached, and THAT IS BULL. Its also looked upon as corruption.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 03:08 PM
So using your flawed logic it is better to once again use taxpayer money to transfer wealth to some connected people, with no strings attached, under the guise that it "might" create temporary jobs which will evaporate if they appear at all, than to have this state work to cut electric rates and fuel prices and other costs to consumers and businesses which would really start the economy because without consumers with extra cash (discretionary spending) you can have no economy. From 2000-2008 we gave all the rich connected people everything they wanted, they kept the money, laid people off and without consumers the economy died. Now your telling me if we give you millions all of our wildest dreams will come true, sorry, 'm not buying. What Riverhouse should do is abandon this pipe dream and focus on Johnsonville instead, set up a trolley bus from there to Goodspeed and to the train, I think everyone would be behind it, I would. But if anything the state should only give out low or no interest loans, no handouts to any businesses or corporations ever again, we always lose.
The Future of Haddam June 02, 2011 at 03:49 PM
My logic is not flawed. You skipped right past the construction phase, right into consumer spending. One step at a time. Just for the sake of argument, if short term construction jobs were created, those employed would spend their money..money into the economy. Are you going to tell me that Subway wouldn’t benefit, how about the Chinese take-out, the gas stations, Haddam Pizza, the liquor stores, Country Market, La Vita, Shagbark, etc? I bet some of those workers even like ice cream. Some earned income will be for necessities, but others will be discretionary. This is simple. Everyone should be able to see that. If you were unemployed, which I truly hope you are not, you wouldn’t or couldn’t spend. If you are employed, I would think you spend money on more than what is actually a necessity. Construction industries work the same way. Using you as an example is not to offend you or assume anything on your personal practices, strictly an example. Just because they would be short term, doesn’t mean they don’t adhere to the basic principles of economics. I am by no means saying that this would provide the end of our economic crisis, all I’m saying is that it will help local businesses. It may or may not be wrong, but the facts about putting money into the economy cannot be debated. That was the point of my original post, creating jobs and putting money into the local economy.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 04:09 PM
Sorry, without consumers the first part is useless, it would be for nothing just as all the money thrown at Pfizer and the homes seized and destroyed were for nothing. Ct has to put money back in the pockets of consumers as does the nation, what many in control want is a 2 class society. That is why the economy is still struggling, Obama and others are still investing in businesses instead of people while doing nothing against rising energy costs--the major killer of an economy, Ct's economy started to die with electric de-regualtion, all it did was make a few rich people richer. No politicians ever go back on their giveaways with numbers and facts and say "see, the money we invested did this" because it doesn't, it's all a big joke a hand out to the mob or corporate interests with no tracking and no guarantees. It would be a spurt and it is still illegally taking public land so all the dreams are for nothing, it should never have gotten this far. When approached Daily should have said "let me check into the legality" then she should have seen it was illegal and improper and probably did, so begs the question- why is Daily pushing and pushing this when it is illegal and wrong?? The appearance is she is in the take, and she should see that and repair it.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 04:11 PM
I suggest all people for this go to the Fort in New London and look at the destroyed homes. The same claims were made about how great an investment for the area and public money with no contingencies. It was stupid. That is what deals like this get you.
The Future of Haddam June 02, 2011 at 04:34 PM
Consumers would be secondary. Consumers is after it would be built. If it was unoccupied, that would be on the Riverhouse. I agree there. The Riverhouse obviously feels they could fill a hotel and occupy stores. Their risk would be incredible. Think about the negative publicity they are getting now. Do you think this is hurting them at all and costing them money? I would venture to guess it is. You cannot compare Pfizer and other publically traded corporations to a small local business. They have shareholders to answer to. Pfizer had patent and production issues that they constantly have to deal with. Their main drugs patents expired and were able to be made by smaller companies and sold as a lower rate generic. They were betting on a new drug to replace the likes of Viagra. It didn’t happen and Connecticut is too expensive to conduct corporate business in. So, they moved many jobs to Mass. This is local small potatoes business in the scheme of your comparisons. I agree with CT and the Fed putting more money in our pockets and cutting spending. That would be nice.
Gene Bartholomew June 02, 2011 at 11:38 PM
No consumers no economy, that's they way it is, that is what the repubs that ran this country into the ground from 2000-2008 forgot. I can compare Pfizer because it was the same BS Rowland used that Daily uses now and there were no safeguards in place to protect the peoples money as Daily refuses to do. I do not care about the BS that Pfizer put out to explain their leaving Ct, they said otherwise when they had money rolling in from us. Ct is not expensive to do business in and would be less if the idiots in Hartford would stop the corporate welfare to the tune of billions a year to these bastards and lowered all taxes accordingly. There is nothing in the conveyance that protects the people, Riverhouse folds and they get to sell the land???? I don't think so. I just happened to cross paths with an upscale lawyer who specializes in real estate at dinner at an area restaurant, he assured me that this will not happen, it has so many legal holes in it Daily and others would be insane to be involved with it. I will be their undoing.
pary June 02, 2011 at 11:39 PM
This land was deeded to be preserved as open space. It was not meant to be destroyed/developed. Any kind of development on this land will destroy public trust. I still oppose the land swap.
Sunshine June 03, 2011 at 01:30 PM
Swap Daily
Gene Bartholomew June 03, 2011 at 02:13 PM
http://blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2011/05/haddam-landswap-drama-shifts-t.html http://blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2011/06/conservationists-blast-dep-and.html#more Read these and please share these articles, all of Jon Lenders articles about the swap are buried on the Courant, being printed in some editions across the state, but on their website they are no where to be found, you have to dig into the blog sections to find any, that is very disturbing, even if you look up his articles from the main Courant page you will not them.
Gene Bartholomew June 03, 2011 at 02:16 PM
Geez, if Daily worked this hard FOR US we'd have lower taxes, lower electric rates, more money given to us for clean energy instead of squandering it on UTC, better equiped schools, better roads and bridges, the list goes on. What a snow job we've been getting from her and the rest of them, 'cept Miller and his allies.
The Future of Haddam June 03, 2011 at 05:17 PM
Miller is a crook. Worse than Dailey. Just ask anyone in town government in Essex or any of the informed town’s people from Essex. He's got quite a mess going on down there. By the way, how exactly do you hold multiple public offices? How do you divide your responsibilities and devote your time to town’s people and your District? Seems like a lot to juggle to me. Is he in Hartford every other day and then in Essex?
Sunshine June 04, 2011 at 01:12 AM
Miller is a crook? Please explain. How exactly is he a crook? Inquiring minds want to know.
Gene Bartholomew June 04, 2011 at 01:44 PM
well Sunshine it would that appear that "future" is very close to Riverhouse and doesn't like Miller being a free thinker, Daily is the crook and the fool, against all logic and facts she trudges on with this, this travesty, the way she acts you'd think they have her family held hostage or something, I can make no sense of her intesity that this land grab move forward when the grabbers have NO PLAN, talk yeah, BS yeah, but no plans have been submitted, which would to occur before any agency in Haddam could approve it or not, to me that makes it seem like they just want the land to do whatever and we'll find out whatever is later with a story that is also laden with BS. This has made the Wall St Journal, go here to see the stories there. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Connecticut-State-Park-Protectors/205161212828947
Gene Bartholomew June 04, 2011 at 02:00 PM
From the WSJ article: Ms. Daily said she thinks the exchange will go through this time around. "I'm confident because there's been much more discussion and support," she said. "It's good for the economy and good for the environment." ---How Daily??? How is this good for the economy? (more empty buildings) How is this good for the environment? Developing conserved lands is good for the environment?? (and don't give me that "polluted" BS, all of Tylervilles aquifer is contaminated not just this one tract of land, which you have done nothing about for decades) what liars!! the article goes on.. But even if a new law approves the exchange, a new development along the river could take years to approve. "Anything we'd consider has to go through feasibility studies and get approval from planning, oversight and zoning boards," Mr. Furrer said. WOULDN'T THAT BE FIRST??? No you take the land then play games??? This is looking like a "Rowland Deal", not much has changed in Corrupticut.
Geoffrey Paul June 05, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Aren't these the same developers who asked for a tax abatement for RiverHouse due to a 'difficult economy'? What in the World makes anyone think these tax revenues will ever be seen? Anyway, the point is this is conservation land so let them find another parcel and build away. I hope it works as it could benefit business owners like me....but not at the expense of the conservation efforts we have paid so dearly to make.
Gene Bartholomew June 05, 2011 at 03:26 PM
Share this, copy it and spread it everywhere. Call the Gov's office : 860.566.4840 or 1.800.406.1527, Monday-Friday between the hours of 8:00AM and 5:00PM. Flood them with calls, bury them alive with calls, have everyone you know call, have your kids call, their future is at stake they might as well learn to responsibly fight the govt now. It would be a good learning experience. Just be sure to be sincere.
The Future of Haddam June 09, 2011 at 04:11 AM
Gene, do you read? I can see that you write fairly well, but do you actually read? You called me out and I responded to you. At least pay me some courtisy and I will ask you again, please do not assume or infer that I am connected the the Riverhouse. I have no connection to the Riverhouse and have nothing to gain. How much clearer can I be? I am selfishly concerned with Haddam and what will happen if those 87 acres are residentially developed and depending on the subdivision, 30-50 new houses are built.....hence, "The Future of Haddam". Sunshine, check out essexwikileaks.com. It seems that Mr. Miller has all sorts of free thoughts about how to conduct government in Essex.....and how to cover things up. Admittedly, I am not a resident of Essex, nor am I totally knowledgable on Essex politics, but the info posted speaks for itself. And my questions about Miller's dual responsibilities, those are serious questions. Does anyone know how he holds both offices and puts in 100% effort and attention to both civic duties?


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